Monday, November 12, 2007



Today's Local Real Estate News: "Strap yourselves in, everyone, the short sales and foreclosures are coming like a freight train."

In an effort to spin a more optimistic view, Nancy Dahlberg, the Miami Herald business editor, will start searching for South Florida’s next “economic wave:”

“My hope is that Business Monday is more than just a collection of stories, that woven through it is local context and community voices about the economy that you can't find anywhere else. We've written a lot about the current housing slump's effects on various industries, and we will continue to do that. But sometimes we also need to step back and look at this slowdown in the context of past ups and downs, and find out what some of the best minds in South Florida are thinking will be South Florida's next wave.”

“Although this downturn is already taking victims -- Fort Lauderdale homebuilder Levitt and Sons filed for Chapter 11 Friday afternoon -- it is mild compared to the past, at least so far. ‘The scary thing about the downturn of the early '90s was how broad-based it was,’ says Gregg Fields, who covered the economy for nearly 20 years for The Herald and wrote today's cover story. ‘Airlines, banks, construction, tourism (because of crime scares) -- all of our core industries were imploding. And the Fed was scared to death of inflation, so it kept interest rates high, meaning hardly anyone could borrow to expand businesses, even if they wanted to.’”

But after each wave of the past, South Florida ultimately emerged a little bit stronger. Are we better prepared this time? And what will be our future wave to catch?


The Miami Herald starts this week with the following:

“There's no doubt South Florida, especially Miami, has become a national poster child for real estate foibles, most notably a budding condo glut, softening home values and increasing strife related to the subprime lending mess.”

“Looking forward, the region could face steep job losses from slowing construction -- indeed, on Friday, Fort Lauderdale homebuilder Levitt and Sons filed for bankruptcy protection. Other economic hurdles could include an inability to resolve the twin headaches of high property taxes and windstorm insurance and, possibly, sharply reduced population growth.”

“Against that context, some believe the current negative sentiment is overblown. The truth is that South Florida has long had one of the most resilient regional economies in the country. The last bona fide recession here was in the early 1990s. Though the region, like the rest of the country, wobbled immediately after 9/11, it absorbed the Internet bust and resultant stock market plunge much better than most.”

“Few corners of the world attracted capital better than South Florida in the past 15 years, with rivers of money flowing into glistening office towers, upscale hotels and virtual forests of high-rise condos.”

In some promising news, the Palm Beach Post reports that Save our Homes portability amendment does not yet have the required 60% support:

“A majority of Florida voters support the property tax amendment on the Jan. 29 ballot, but not enough to approve the changes, according to a new Palm Beach Post poll.”

“Although 53 percent of those polled said they support the proposed amendment, 60 percent approval is needed to amend the state constitution.”

“But the poll also shows that 20 percent of voters remain undecided, which means that, among voters who have made up their minds, 66 percent of voters support the amendment.”

“Support for ballot questions often declines as election day approaches - and less than three months remain until this vote - but one of the survey's pollsters said this amendment has the advantage of Gov. Charlie Crist's promising to "campaign like the dickens" on its behalf.”

The lack of support comes even before groups have started to fight against the amendment. The Sun-Sentinel reports:

“Florida's property-tax overhaul was packaged to win voter approval — with Gov. Charlie Crist and state legislators careful to include only items popular with homeowners and businesses.”

“But the proposed constitutional amendment is drawing more enemies than allies, fueling doubts about the prospects of the $12.4 billion package gaining the necessary 60 percent approval from voters Jan. 29.”

“Labor groups are gearing up to fight the measure, and their money and manpower could out-muscle the middling support coming so far from business organizations.”

“‘This is the wrong place, wrong time for this kind of thing,’ said Bob Carver, president of the Florida Professional Firefighters Association, whose 22,500 members are pledging $500,000 toward a campaign against the measure.”

“‘You look at the kind of money people are going to get back, and it's not worth the cuts in services they'll face,’ he added.”

Victoria Fournier explained her opposition to the new amendment in a recent letter to the Sun-Sentinel editor:

“Taxes for the tuxes," classism and clubism at its best.”

“So much for real tax relief. The ‘tuxes’ — that club of lucky buyers (those who bought pre-2001, already receiving grossly disproportionate homestead protection from the run-up in taxes/property values in recent years) — get yet another bonus: $25,000 more in deductions and portability.”

“We common folk — unlucky buyers (those who bought post-2001 and are shouldering an outrageously disproportionate share of the homesteaded property taxes) — continue to get no consideration.”

“I bought in 2005, and am drowning in property taxes; and the Legislature just threw me the equivalent of a teething ring in the middle of the ocean.”

“Strap yourselves in, everyone, the short sales and foreclosures are coming like a freight train to your neighborhood, too; and we all will have equal opportunity to continue to lose property value as a result of the disgraceful failure on the part of our Legislature to propose real tax relief.”

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well why don't we see the kind of builder sales and mark downs on Single Family new homes by companys like GLHomes. They write down elsewhere in florida but not here in SE Florida. Condos yes, there is some movement. Even with single family resales I am seeing total crap in Broward county for $300,000+.

-TiredOfWaiting

Anonymous said...

Does the bank or builder pay the taxes on foreclosure or when new homes don't sell? When a foreclosure, is that a sale causing a reassessment of the RE taxes? Here in SE florida I think we are seeing an effort to manipulate the market that they are not seeing in other parts of florida.

Anonymous said...

I have seen the foreclosures but have not seen the price drop to a affordable price. But the courts are backed up and it will take untill next year for more of them to hit the market. I also dont see alot on Realty.com - why, is there somewhere better to find them?

$100 a SQFT

Anonymous said...

The "good" SFH in Broward are currently listed between $400k - $600k

These are homes that are under 3k total living sq ft. When I think $400-600k homes, I think of 4k sq ft+

I remember in 2003 on 595 there was a Billboard for Long Lake Ranches "Custom Estate homes from the mid $400's"

One year later the billboard read "Custom Estate homes from the mid $600's" and eventually the billboard went away.

Buy in after "the mid 600's" became $1.5 million (and this was for the 1 story home)

The 2 story mansions you see in Long Lake Ranches & Long Lake Ranches west were going for $2.2 million.

This same home 2 years prior could have been purchased for less than $800k.

I've also heard rumors that 12 of the homes in Long Lake West are in some form of Foreclosure.

Take that for what it's worth. My Fiance & I have long deliberated if we should buy or just keep waiting & we told ourselves "we've waited this long, what's another year"

South Florida Housing Bubble said...

While it's not really local news, here's a great editorial that's worth reading:

Where are the Realtors®?

"To hear real estate agents tell it, they are indispensable guides through the hazardous home-buying terrain."

"How is it, then, that millions of borrowers took on toxic subprime mortgages that could cost them their homes? Why did their agents not warn them off? While much criticism has been leveled at subprime lenders and mortgage brokers, real estate agents have yet to receive their fair share of the blame for the subprime mess, says Shanna Smith, president of the National Fair Housing Alliance. 'I think the greed factor works with agents as well as loan originators,' she recently noted."


Read the rest -- it's a great article.

Anonymous said...

Re to: It is real,

Although we are seeing some 'bargains' relative to a year ago in our market (LHP & Deerfield as much as 30-50% off peak pricing), we are watching closely and waiting. Waterfronts went up 300-400% in those markets in 5-6 years.
We decided to wait until at least spring or summer 2008.
At that time we will again decide whether to wait longer or jump in.
I see no danger of missing the bottom, as I believe it will be a long slow path upward once the bottom is found.

Anonymous said...

Re to: $100,

I found an excellent book called "Buy even lower".
It has an awesome guide to buying bank repo's right, with step by step instructions on how to get it at YOUR price.
Worth the $10-15 bucks.
When I bought it a year or so ago, I had no idea how timely and helpful it would become.

Anonymous said...

$140sqft:

What I HATE is this whole "guessing game" & the "waiting game"

Guessing if the market will really turn & then WAITING for it.

It's frustrating. We're a young couple just trying to start our lives & our FAMILY!! We got priced out so quickly we didn't even know what was happening.

Now that we're months from getting married & eager to have children, we're getting antsy to purchase a home, but know that "patience is a virtue."

It's just hard to continue to convince yourself to NOT buy when everything that's ever been ingrained in you is BUY A HOME WHEN YOU START A FAMILY!!

LOL - what can we do ;)

Anonymous said...

Just did a search on the MLS for the word "bank" (as in "subject to bank approval" or "bank owned", etc.) in the broker's remarks. Came up with 820 listings just in Palm Beach County. I don't remember what the number was last time I checked, but it was a small fraction of that.

Anyways, here's another F'd buyer:

1150 11th Ct, Jupiter, FL 33477

Bought: Aug 2005: $320,000
Now asking: $214,250

$106,000 loss before selling and holding costs, assuming full price sale (33% price decline)

Anonymous said...

what can we do

Wear a condom.

Anonymous said...

To: it's real

We are in the same boat as you but we all must wait. We all need to hang on for a while longer as doing so will drive these greedy overpriced pigs to their knees. The longer we wait the more the prices tumble and also taxable value will drop.
The only way I would consider buying is if interest rates were climbing which appears not likely anytime soon under current conditions.
The time to buy will be 6 months after next years election.

Anonymous said...

ADMIN,

2171 NE 44 STREET , LIGHTHOUSE POINT

Here is an interesting one. This guy bought this waterfront in March this year for $900k, and now is trying to sell for $880k.
He ALSO purchased another waterfront in Pompano Cypress Harbor (Fixed Bridges) in the same month for $750k!! About $300k too high!!!
I don't know but would bet it's on the market too.
Judging by his name "Sergio Lima" I would say he is one of those foreign buyers (suckers?) we are hearing about. Didn't take him long to figure out he f@cked up!! LOL

Anonymous said...

ADMIN,

Also Sergio has a Boynton Beach mailing address, so he probably has more property there.

Anonymous said...

Re to It is real,

The only difference between you and some of us is we have seen many many more years of price swings. If all you ever see is boom times, it is easy to think it's the norm. I bought my first property in the mid 1970's and I lived through the ups and downs of the market.
I was wondering IF it would drop early in 2006, now I only wonder how far and how fast.
Do yourself a favor and get the book 'Buy Even Lower' and learn how to get the deal you deserve.
I own a tremendous amount of RE and make an excellent living from my RE income properties. Its been my passion since I was a kid. Even then Monopoly was my favorite game.
I was talking to another Realtor today who just sold a 4000sq ft home on 93 feet of intracoastal frontage. The sellers had it on the market for $1.89 mil.
This guy offers $1.25 and they take it!!
There are still plenty of morons out there asking $1.2 mil for 2000 sq ft canal homes.
It IS coming down!!

Anonymous said...

and there still are bldrs & speculators buying stuff for too much $ amazingly.in my opinion.
check out g.mustapick & mustapick estate homes.(pb county ) I cant figure this one out. I looked real hard at one of his now properties before he bought it when it was in foreclosure, and he paid way more than i ever would. but he has a lot more $ than me, so what do I know ?? recent is a tear down and the other on is now an empty lot.

Anonymous said...

Here is an odd one.

Doral, FL 33178
Purchased in 3/2006 for 750k
Now bank owned
Listed for 655,000
MLS# M1178674

However, this home was listed in August of this year (as noted in this blog) at 620k under a different MLS #. I assume this was the owner trying to do a short sale. Now, I ain't no rocket scientist, but if the thing didn't sell for 620k in August, why exactly would it sell for 655k now?

Anonymous said...

140:

I thankfully have smart parents who have told me "don't buy" - and they are homeowners!!

My parents bought at the top of a "boom" in 1993 in Orlando. The value of their home actually went down between 1993 & 2000, stabilized & then started slowly going up, then shot like a rocket to twice its value.

I like to believe my father is an intelligent man & even he told me "don't buy - it's not going to last"

I started looking at the realty market in 2003. I couldn't believe what people were asking for their homes, and by 2004 I knew people were mad. People made fun of, they said "just buy!" "sell everything you own and buy a home!!"

I thought to myself - If I sell everything I own & make myself a slave to a house, what's the point? I will no longer have the hobbies that make me happy & will be going to work, possibly even working TWO jobs and never living in that "home" I purchased. It just didn't sound right to me.

So then I started researching bubbles. I was led to Robert Shiller & at the time he had updated his "Irrational Exuberance" book. I picked it up, read it & knew that I was right & everyone else was wrong.

I know first hand people that purchased homes on Interest Only ARM's (homes for $300k that should be worth only $100k) and I'm seeing these people unable to pay their bills. They're struggling!! They're miserable & don't know what to do.

Me? I've got enough stress planning a wedding - you think I want a large looming mortgage that's about to reset keeping me up at night?

We're waiting at least 1 more year & putting away as many pennies as we can.

Anonymous said...

Real,

You are smart, and in time you will find the right property at the right price. Patience pays.
If you haven't already done so, find a good realtor to work with, be honest with them, and if they are still willing to help you, have them set you up with automatic email updates from the mls for the areas and type of property you are seeking.
The initial batch will be overwhelming, in the hundreds. But then you will get a steady stream of updated on your market, price changes, and new listings.
It is fun and easy to look at a half dozen emails a day.
You can print the ones you like and file them to track them.
Whenever the seller drops the price, you get an automatic email update.
Take your time, enjoy the journey and make it fun. Your reward awaits you.
Your father has spared you some real heartache, I miss mine, he was a huge help when I was younger.