Monday, October 1, 2007




Today's Local Real Estate News: "There are now more people who are leaving than who are moving to Florida."

Earlier I poster an article title, The Myth of Population Growth, where I discussed Florida’s urban legend often propagated by Realtors® and others within the real estate industry. Finally, the popular press is starting to pick up on the falsehood of this myth.

A reader recently sent me a great Wall Street Journal article, which is must read for anyone following the local market. Here are some highlights:

“For almost a century, Florida has been a magnet for mobile Americans. The state's plentiful sunshine and open space has attracted "snowbirds" fleeing winter, retirees living out the last chapter of their lives and down-on-their-luck workers in search of jobs. A steady flow of newcomers has kept the state's population growing faster than the nation's, often much faster, since the 1920s.”

“But for Americans on the move, Florida has become a less-appealing destination. Moving company Atlas Van Lines brought 6,700 families into Florida last year and took 8,000 out, the first time it has moved more out than in. The number of people from other states who switch to a Florida driver's license is down more than 8% from last year. And the state's crowded schools actually lost students last year, prompting many counties to cut back on their construction schedule and, in some cases, look to close schools. While foreigners continue to arrive at a rate of about 100,000 year, migration from inside the country is slowing.”

“A Florida rebound would likely require housing prices to fall further than they already have. With the help of subprime and no-money-down mortgages, the state became a place for rampant speculation that more than doubled prices in a four-year period. The price appreciation fueled a refinancing boom that gave consumers access to billions in home equity, and they spent it. Research firm Moody's Economy.com estimates the real-estate sector has been responsible for one in three new jobs over the past few years, everything from mortgage brokers to Home Depot Inc. stockboys. But the rise in prices also locked out a lot of prospective migrants from other states. While home prices were doubling, the state's personal income rose just 31%. That made it tough for anyone living on Florida wages to crack the real-estate market and recent declines haven't offset that.”

“What's more, as Florida's population has swelled, the state has created a two-tiered tax system that hit newcomers and part-time residents harder than longer-term residents. For tax purposes, permanent residents receive a $25,000 "homestead" reduction in the assessed value of their home, which reduces their property taxes. A 1992 amendment to the state's constitution caps the annual increase in residents' assessed home value at 3% a year or the rate of inflation, whichever is lower.”

“The effect is that over the past few years, as home values have soared, newcomers have paid higher tax bills. For instance, the owner of one North Tampa house assessed at $214,764 paid $1,992 in taxes last year, according to the Hillsborough County property appraiser's office. A new owner, who made it his primary residence, would pay about $3,820 in taxes next year, assuming the house doesn't decline in value.”


Similarly, The Herald Tribune published another great article discussing the same topic. Here are some highlights:

“The conventional wisdom is that booming growth for Florida is as sure as orange blossoms in spring and hurricanes in summer.”

“But some economists -- armed with fresh anecdotal evidence -- think that, at least in the short term, high insurance rates, high property taxes and heady competition from other retirement states is taking some of the wind out of the Sunshine State's sails.”

"The old axiom says that Florida picks up 1,000 residents each day, but evidence is mounting that this long-lived assumption is no longer valid."

“‘We always make these assumptions: You keep hearing '1,000 a day,' and 'every baby boomer is loaded,'’ said Lou Goodkin, a Florida consultant who was among the first to warn of South Florida condominium overbuilding.”

“‘There are now more people who are leaving than who are moving to Florida,’ [Jack] McCabe said. ‘I think without a doubt there is a preponderance of circumstantial evidence and anecdotal evidence to contradict the old adage that there are 1,000 people a day moving to Florida.’”

“In years gone by, Allied Van Lines gave Florida the moniker "Magnet State" because it had so many more inbound than outgoing shipments.”

“Earlier this year, the company reported that outbound residents outnumbered inbound for both Florida and California. The Sunbelt was a still a big draw, with Texas the No. 1 destination, followed by North Carolina and Georgia.”

“‘We have Realtors taking Floridians by the busload to buy in North Carolina,’ said McCabe, who works in Deerfield Beach, part of the crowded Southeast Florida metroplex.”

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Come on! Didn't everyone get the memo?

There are millions of outrageously wealthy Baby Boomers who are going to move down here and snatch up all those brand new townhomes they're building in Miramar. Pretty soon they'll be in bidding wars with those similarly wealthy Latin American that are moving here by the plane load.

Let's not forget all the money bags being brought over here by flithy rich Europeans that are gitty at their Euros are worth almost $1.50 USD. Certainly, they'll be enter the bidding wars as well.

Everyone know that rich Europeans, Latin Americans, and Baby Boomers would rather live in South Florida than anywhere else in the world.

Anonymous said...

I was at an open house just this weekend where a realtor used the old “1000 people moving to Florida each day” line. That line is still alive and well among the realtor crowd. Prosperity is right around the corner (as soon as the Baby Boomers arrive).

Anonymous said...

Actually the "1,000 people a day moving here" line is probably correct. However, there are MORE than 1,000 people moving out at the same time. It's the net inflow that matters. And I'm convinced as well that there is definitely a net outflow right now.

I believe that long-term, that trend will reverse and people will come back. The main reason they're leaving is because of cost. High prices, high insurance, high taxes. All those things will come down as property values fall, and people will start coming back.

Short-term, though, I think you'll continue to see people leave the state in droves.

And I don't expect the market to bottom any time soon. When it does, it will still stay flat for a number of years after that (similar to what happened in the 90's). I don't think we'll see 2005 prices for another 10 years at least. And by then, inflation will make the real value even less.

Just like the stock market--if you bought the S&P 500 index in 2000, you're just now (after 7 years) getting your money back. And that's not counting the inflation during that time. In real terms, the S&P 500 is still down at least 15% from it's 2000 level (adjusted for inflation). And the NASDAQ is still WAY WAY down from it peak.

So, no reason to buy real estate any time soon. The real estate market crash will take a lot longer to work itself out than the stock market did.

Anonymous said...

ANON 3,

I have to agree with you except for Taxes. When prices drop down, they will find a way to increase them back to where they are.
Broward (all communities in Broward) is spending 83% MORE than they did in 2000.
Do you think they would take 40-50% LESS now?
I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

No, local governments won't accept 40% less. Howevever, keep in mind that the majority of homeowners are homestead and bought before 2002.

Thanks to SOH, most homeowners who fall under this category will see their taxes INCREASE by 3% per year, every year even while property values are nose diving.

I am sure they will raise millage rates some, but they will not raise them as fast as property taxes are falling.

Ultimately, I think that if someone waits two years to buy a particular home, they will pay less in taxes at that time, than they will if they buy the same home today.

But, I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

This article impressed me that we have the myth of median price, the myth of people moving to Florida and we now need the myth of RE prices ALWAYS GO UP and NEVER DECLINE.
What do you think ADMIN?

Anonymous said...

A little follow up.
Hordes of sellers are sitting tight, not reducing prices, waiting for the market to go back to "normal".
Since we all know RE always goes up and never declines.